Jon’s Radio Comments

October 3, 2006

ID card anthropology

Filed under: Uncategorized — jonsradiocomments @ 12:28 pm

The original item is here.



  1. PGP keysignings are a good way to gather information on ID documents – see also the kerfuffle over a non-national form of ID at the last debconf

    Comment by James — October 3, 2006 @ 5:24 pm | Reply

  2. Wired Magazine has an interesting map of National ID usage around the world. It’s not online so I’ve taken the liberty of scanning it. It’s on my blog, with comments, at:

    Comment by Mark O'Neill — October 4, 2006 @ 3:18 pm | Reply

  3. Come on, Wired! – that map is a great opportunity to drive eyeballs to the site; it should be somewhat interactive, at least mark it out as areas with “help balloons” explaing each country’s current situation.

    Comment by Tim — October 4, 2006 @ 10:53 pm | Reply

  4. I think that map is rather confusing to say the least. When it says a National ID is ‘Mandatory’ does that mean you must have one or must carry one at all times? If a country is pink but has hashes on it, it doesn’t really tell you what direction it is going.

    Here in the UK the Blair government is trying to push us almost from one extreme to the other. We currently have no national ID card or associated database. They want introduce an electronic ID card with multiple biometrics linked to a database containing a ton of data (50 types of info on each citizen). At least in continental Europe their ID cards are backed by strong privacy laws and data protection. This government is not strengthening privacy laws and in fact wants to tear down the data protection rules within government. So it means that any data you give to any arm of government for any purpose can theoretically be used by another for something completely different.

    At the moment it isn’t a big deal amongst the public. However, when people find they have to go to an interrogation centre to renew their passport or change the address on their driving licence it’ll start hitting home….

    Comment by chrs — October 6, 2006 @ 4:38 pm | Reply

  5. Here is the situation in Serbia:

    Everyone above 18 must have mandatory ID; you must carry it all the time, and show it to the police on their request.

    Currently (about to change) IDs are without smart chips, in them you can find owners name, surname & picture, his fathers name, date of birth, address (you must change it every time you move), 13 digit unique personal number, number of id, and police station that produced it.

    In Serbia there has been IDs since WW2, so I grew up considering it normal, and not having a slightest clue that there are countries that don’t have it. When I first found out about it couple of years ago, I wondered how they can manage without it? After doing some reading, I’ve found some of the reasons against id’s, but I’ve never heard of any misuses of it in my country; only thing that annoys me is that you have to change it every 10 years, or when you lose it, but I still find having IDs perfectly normal.

    Comment by Petar Vasić — October 8, 2006 @ 10:05 am | Reply

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